Tom O. (Romanichal)

The discovery of Romani DNA in a skeleton that dates back to the 11th Century, unearthed from a Norwich (England) mulpuv (graveyard), must surely have the "Gypsy Experts", and other professionals in the Gypsy Industry, quaking with alarm and apprehension at this threat to their standing and careers. The established dogma is blown sky high with this conclusive, scientific proof that the "Gypsy", the Romani(y) was in Merry England as early, at least, as the Eleventh Century.

Have no doubt, the "experts" will attempt to find ways of circumventing the validity of this evidence. Already the point has been made that the presence of the Romani DNA could be explained by a mixing between Romani and Anglo-Saxons, in the 10th Century, in Byzantium, but, weak as this supposition is, it does not change the fact that, the Romani was here in England, centuries prior to the theoretical timing of the Gypsyologists?

Recalling the gullibility, for something like half a century, of the scientific establishment, with the Piltdown-Man escapade, I wonder whether we shall be hearing suggestions that the particular Romani DNA was planted in Norwich by Gypsies using a, Dr. Who style, time machine?

The loss of 'Face', and reduction of profits, by the Gypsyologists, is likely to be as great as that suffered as a result of Piltdown-Man?

In the unlikely event that the "experts" were able to rid themselves of the dogma that has, so far, prevailed, there is every possibility that likely evidence, such as that offered in the (Romani?) craftsmanship involved with the Gundestrup Cauldron, recovered from a Jutland bog, and possibly dating to circa, 150BC, would open their minds to other anomalies arising from the existing, dogmatic timing of when "The Gypsy first came to Europe."

Gypsyologists are renowned for their willingness to pick and choose from the evidence that exists; selecting that which fits their theory but totally disregarding that which raises doubts or indicates a differing reality of Gypsy history. For example; much credence is given to philological evidence, with the language masters basing their estimates of the where and when of Gypsy migrations solely on linguistic peculiarities. However, they appear to use the same "Pick & Choose" methods even in this research. I have never yet encountered a philologist that is willing to explain and give account for the existence in the English language of Romani-sourced words, e.g. rig, (the Romani verb to bear or carry), as used in English for exactly the same purpose, and many other similar words. No-one has ever been able to explain the true etymology of the word "mushroom", despite the suggestion that it arises via the French 'mousseron' from the Latin, when anyone with a slight knowledge of Romanes can see the practical link with the Romani words "mush" and "rom"?

The tradition of 'Gypsyology', till now promoted by academics, with very few exceptions, has been dogmatic in its insistence that the Romani(y), (otherwise known as "Gypsy" from the understanding that many of them came from, rather than via, Egypt; similarly the Romani were frequently known as "Bohemians" from the fact that many did, indeed, travel through Europe via the once, large kingdom of Bohemia.), did not arrive, and could not have arrived in England until as late as the Fifteenth Century.

The, now shattered, dogma of mainstream Gypsyology is based largely on the premise, that the forebears of the Romani People were displaced from their earlier homelands as a result of incursive raids by Muslim forces under the leadership of Sultan Mahmud of Gahzni, circa 1018 AD, with such displacement leading to their eventual arriving in Europe. This "evidence" completely ignores Muslim claims that, the life of the holy Prophet was saved, when he lay dying of a deadly fever, by Gypsies that introduced him to the herb Rue, accounting for the fact that Rue is the only herb to have been blessed by the Prophet.

We, the Romani, the Gypsy, the Scapegoat of Gohja society, should be well aware of the Gohja ability, and willingness, to pervert and falsify history to suit their needs; Waht oprey!

Amare Devel amensa!

Tom Odley


By Sarah Morley

The recent discovery of Romani DNA in an Anglo Saxon skeleton has made experts re-think the nature of the city's early population.

Experts from Norfolk Archaeology Unit based at Norwich Castle have discovered a rare form of mitochondrial DNA identified as Romani in a skeleton discovered during excavations in a large area of Norwich for the expansion of the castle mall.

The DNA was found in an 11th century young adult male skeleton, and with the first recorded arrival of the Romani gene in this country put at 500 years later, historians may need to re-think the ethnic mix of the city's early population.

Norfolk Archaeological Unit's lead archaeologist on the dig was Brian Ayres. He told the 24 Hour Museum: "The bones were of a late Saxon Christian. We know this because it was found in a graveyard associated with the church."

Brian was on the scene when they discovered the DNA in the bones of the young Saxon male - out of the 59 skeletons sampled. Though the excavation was done around the early 90's the results of the DNA testing has only recently been published to a specialist audience.

DNA testing is a completely revolutionary way of testing and dating bones to find out their origins. Modern methods only recently discovered allow for lots of new links to be made, such as finding where an individual originated from through their genes.

Extracting DNA from ancient bones is a complicated procedure involving removing the DNA from the tooth pulp as the hard tooth enamel preserves the gene. This form of mitochondrial DNA is passed down the female line and the identified gene is only found in the descendants of Romani. According to DNA records the first recorded Romani Gene found in England was in the 16th Century.

Extensive archaeological excavations have unearthed both Roman and Anglo-Saxon finds in and around Norwich.

The find is exciting because it paints a more diverse picture of ancient Norwich. Although Norwich has a rich history of cultural diversity, the discovery of first recorded Romani Gene in the country points to new levels of diversity.

"This exciting find emphasises a more cosmopolitan Anglo-Scandinavian society," explained Brian who went on to say not only does this find show Norwich as an early multi-ethnic society but it gives a wider indication of a more fluid world in the 11th Century, where humans were constantly moving from country to country.

Romani people have a bloody history of persecution, murder and banishment in almost every country they entered. They were accused of witchcraft and almost every crime imaginable. They originated from the ancient warrior classes of North India and are closely linked to the culture of the Punjabi people, also of North India.

The Romani people are known to have been in Byzantine Empire in the 10th century, so it is thought that the only way the Romani Gene could be found in this country so early is if the previous historical records are mistaken.

Another possibility is that if the Anglo-Saxons were also in Byzantium in the 10th century, relations between the Anglo Saxons and the Romani people may have led to the spread of the Romani Gene to Norwich, England.


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Veshengro comments; "One can only wonder what the experts are going to make of this now, LOL."